You obviously need to read more. As backrgound, particularly read up on the US revolutionary war, WWII, the US civil war, and the word "projection."
Do we say the revolutionary war began when France sent troops in 1778, or when the US and Britain started fighting in 1775? Of course 1775
When did WWII begin? Most history books say when Germany went into Poland in 1939. The Czechs will quite logically say when Nazi Germany annexed the Sudetenland in 1938. Many Austrians also agree with 1938, when Austria was annexed after Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss was assassintated. Most historians agree that the beginning of WWII began with the extremely harsh war reparations against Germany at the end of WWI, almost guaranteeing the next war.
Was the start of the American civil war the election of Lincoln, the secession of the confederate states, or shots fired at Fort Sumter?
A timeline of documented events:
- 2004: the US overthrowing the Ukraine election;
- 2008: the US openly pushing Ukraine away from neutrality into NATO;
- 2014: the US openly backing a violent coup in Ukraine;
- 2014: the US picking the post coup Ukraine government;
- 2015-2022: the US shipping $3,000,000,000 in weapons to Ukraine to fight against separatists in the Ukraine civil war;
- 2016: three US senators (McCain, Graham, Klobuchar) traveling to Ukraine to say, "2017 is the year of offense. All of us will go back to Washington and push the case against Russia...";
- 2020: Adam Schiff in congress openly stating, "The United States aids Ukraine and her people, so that we can fight Russia over there and we don't have to fight Russia here"
According to MSM (and apparently, your) logic, that list above means nothing. The 15,000+ Ukrainians dead from 2014 to 2022 don't count, only those after 24 February 2022.
My logic, and the clear timeline of documented events above says the US has been pushing this war since 2004, and the war began at the latest in 2014 and has never ended.
Your logic says nothing happened before Russia invaded in 2022 to stop Ukraine from overrunning the Donbas.
If we're going to decide objectively which of those two is "the silliest line of reasoning" you are going to lose that decision.
